ideas for 2014

Just had a look and Josh is Jan I would not do till Aug so loads of time between them, also big distance I would bet.

Like the idea if this was a go it will be yank for me

There is plenty of time to organise too

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its as i said on page one mate, ill recap

site owner charges me these rates

150 acres full site use 0700 - 0700 next day ... sat or sunday is 1500
30 acres small site use 0700 - 1700 sat or sunday is 500

if i use the small area on sat or sunday from 0700 till 1700 , then use the full area untill 0700 next day , its 650 quid

the quarry site is use for trails bikes during the daytimes, that why for exclusive use i have to pay the extra to keep the bikes off and pay for the lost revenue.

like i said expensive, but if you get big numbers possible, i paid 1500 for ucap for a day for fuhrers , , but numbers were good enough to manage

Yes I see why so expensive now.

It may be hard to get 40 people to pay £40 for 1 day in a quarry in the North of England.

Now if you had a tank etc then it would bring people in but then you have the expense of the tank to add to the game price next thing you know you need 50+ people.

The IED site I was thinking of is the one used for Churchill's revenge etc, I have been there about 3 times now and it's easy to get to. If I could get some large APC's etc from North West MVT then we could make Baston work.

I don't know the hire of that IED site yet but it is only used for logging and airsoft as far as I know.

Marsha do you mean American for Baston?

Yup no longer doing german now do going sell all my kit

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speak to ed at IED, there is one problem though for you nigel.

Guy (old un) from here in years gone by , is very close to ed at IED, and i know you to had issues

im pretty sure guy is still involved with IED so , you may get stonewalled trying to get that site mate, also i know guy ran the atc game the in 2008 and it cost a couple of grand for the site, so again , it wont be cheap mate.

plus there are problems with pikeys partying on site at the night times, we drove through one of their partys in my truck at 40 mph, and they wernt happy

i do agree the quarry i use is too expensive for a ww2 game , which is why i havent even bothered running one there, if there was half a chance, i would already have done it. ww2 airsoft is struggleing ith numbers at the moment, and the last two games ive run had about 60% booking, and its just not viable to do.

get a tunnels system and you will sell it all day long, other themes are harder to sell nowadays

speak to ed at IED, there is one problem though for you nigel.

Guy (old un) from here in years gone by , is very close to ed at IED, and i know you to had issues

im pretty sure guy is still involved with IED so , you may get stonewalled trying to get that site mate, also i know guy ran the atc game the in 2008 and it cost a couple of grand for the site, so again , it wont be cheap mate.

plus there are problems with pikeys partying on site at the night times, we drove through one of their partys in my truck at 40 mph, and they wernt happy

i do agree the quarry i use is too expensive for a ww2 game , which is why i havent even bothered running one there, if there was half a chance, i would already have done it. ww2 airsoft is struggleing ith numbers at the moment, and the last two games ive run had about 60% booking, and its just not viable to do.

get a tunnels system and you will sell it all day long, other themes are harder to sell nowadays

I have never had a problem my self with Guy if he has had a problem with me I don't know never had much contact with him.
I think the site you talk about is the other larger site not the one I have used and am taking about this one.
Unfortunately the map links are as much use as a chocolate tea pot trying to find a true ariel map view.
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1145

I think this is the place https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?rlz=&q=G ... a=N&tab=wl

GNW 1500 + 150 Insurance? = 1650 would need £45 a head to be in the black after. And its a long way oop north to get the necessary 40 people , Nigel find out the cost of the other site

Shows you how good we do with Taffy

Will look into it mate!

This is the entrance to the site have worked it out from memory it is 700 acres.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=IED+ai ... 53,,0,8.23

Shows you how good we do with Taffy

Yes pay per player rather than by site certainly makes it easier

I got to thinking as I was going to bed last night, we never did that night game at X-site.

We could run a small night game only March or April, Taffy may do us a good deal for night only.

I still have all those gold / German boxes from Anarchy, I think the idea of boxes strewn all over the site with glow tags on them could be great fun.
The problem is working a story around them, something like a German aircraft with top secret technology maybe radioactive has exploded high over that area and stuff has spread all over the site glowing in between fields of sheep.

The Germans are trying to retrieve and the Allies capture for their own research, story needs fattening a hell of a lot

I am not saying for many people or for them to come far but it could be a good one to get a few locals interested.

I was at Bury Burs Park and met a number of re-enactors from North West Collectors 2 of them live in the Mold area and 1 other I have since got on this forum in the last few days & he has already purchased a Thompson and 1911 this week. North West Collectors are not only re-enactors they also have vehicles to go with it Kubel, Weapons carriers, Jeeps etc.

A cheap night game could be a ground breaker for later in the year.

Not sure if you have tried to run a night game before nigel, but one thing I have noticed, as much as people claim to want them they are often under attended, this is something I have noticed with most I have been to. maybe airsofters are scared of the dark...

Are these night games after a days game because they are always tired if it just a night game then there should be no problem, they love tunnels in the dark so why not a massive section of Welsh hillside.

Get some impartial guys to dump the boxes in some great location and let us sniff them out.

Wasn't there a U-Boat with German radioactive material sunk on its way to Japan, in fact wasn't some or all of the uranium used on Japan captured from the Axis?

In 1945 U-234 was captured carrying Uranium oxide to Japan for an A-bomb project. Enigma signals revealed that 1.5 tons of Uranium was going to be shipped by Japanese sub I-52 in May 1944. Magic decrypts reveal General Kawashima asked for Uranium shipments from Germany in July 1943. How much Uranium did Germany actually ship to Japan in WW2 ?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 718AAJ73iB

So basically May 1944 and a Junkers 290 is hit by anti-aircraft fire or an allied fighter it has blown up and scattered small boxes of uranium 234 all over the site, the plane was on a flight to U-Boat pens to transport it's cargo to Japan.

Loads more here https://sites.google.com/site/naziabomb ... mb-project
Some JU390 flights were made direct to Japan.

its always a problem with the sites , if you can deal direct with a landowner its always a good call, if you have to sub let the site off a Tennant they can name there price.

if i had sole use of the quarry it would be about 25% of the cost , but as i sub let it , i would have to pay their losses for exclusive use , really shite.

the main reason im still after another site is that the ones i use are way to expensive

Are these night games after a days game because they are always tired if it just a night game then there should be no problem, they love tunnels in the dark so why not a massive section of Welsh hillside.

Both, im not sure what the WW2 crowd is like with night games, but modern airsofters seem not to take to them.
I remember swat was a bit like that, and i think porta has had some problems with low numbers for night games.

I must admit I'm a bit dubious about night games myself. most WW2 airsofters have a routine at games and at night the routine is drinking and sleeping

Another possibility is Anzio camp at Leek. The buildings look a bit modern, but hey there red brick so not that differant really. Ive always thought it would make a great Aachen scenario the first German city captured. Also got good roads for tank/jeep/anti-tank gun. and some great sub plots like the US rangers in German uniforms and SS battalion Rink breaking out at the end of the fight against all orders.

I could enquire the cost if you like, oh and there are a few regulars who have WW2 uniforms as well -- attachment is not available ---- attachment is not available ---- attachment is not available --

When I contacted F&O about Anarchy they tried to push Anzio on me but I took a look at videos of the site and it put me off it just looked too modern.
Brookside Close to be more exact came to mind

May be worth a visit.

Burrs Park vid typical re-en vid not realistic but ran for the public.
Me not to be seen only a few seconds of my jeep.

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Ok had another idea, more Flying Lead than standard WW2 and could mean we lose any credibility won at Monte
Needs to be held at a site like Anzio with plenty of buildings.

Dépareillé 1942

Ah the sleepy French town of Dépareillé can there be a more magnifique place to see out this dreadful war? The townsfolk go about their business with a smile on their faces, the German garrison are glad not be on the Russian Front. But all is not as it seems, the Resistance are stirring, the Black market is thriving and even in the garrison the German Soldats seem to have their own agenda's.

Game Mechanics

The game is designed to run with approximately 20 French citizens of Dépareillé and 10 German garrison troops. Everyone creates a character for the day: the town mayor, baker, undertaker etc for the French, Gestapo officer, garrison commander, Hans the injured veteran of the Russian Front etc.
Everyone keeps to the same character throughout the day and are encouraged to embellish/research their characters as much as possible. If you are the baker you will be assigned a building that is your bakery and you are encouraged to dress/embellish it with as many props as you can manage.

The game will be split into 1 hour segments, at the start of each segment the town citizens report to the town hall and are randomly assigned an objective card. The garrison troops report to the HQ and are assigned guard/patrol duties as well as an objective card.

At the end of the segment characters that have achieved their objective earn 1 “Legend of Dépareillé point” characters may award 1 “Legend of Dépareillé point”to other characters for exceptional role-play. Garrison troops lose 1 “Legend of Dépareillé point” if they shoot civilians not involved in illegal activity.

Examples of objective cards

German

“ You have lost heavily at cards, Groß Hans the garrison bully is calling tonight to collect his winnings, if you do not have the money Groß Hans will break many of your bones! Luckily you have noticed the location of the black market hideout (this segment it is at ?????) you need to steal an ammo crate from the garrison stores and sell it to the black market without being caught in order to pay off Groß Hans.”

“It has been a long time since you have enjoyed the warm embrace of a woman and leave has been hard to come by. You must evade your duties and visit the brothel. If you can spend 15 minutes at the brothel without being caught you have achieved your objective.”

French

“ Your sister Evette has been captured by the Gestapo and will soon have to endure terrible torture. However the Gestapo officer has told you that if you turn informant and supply him with information on the resistance members he will release your sister. You must identify 2 members of the Resistance and inform on them. You only achieve your objective if they are genuine members of the resistance this segment.”

“This Segment you have been recruited by the resistance, Your mission is to destroy the German garrisons radio building. You need to obtain explosives and a detonator from the black market or the garrison stores and blow up the radio building. If you require help from other resistance members this segment their hideout is at ?????)”

So the citizens role-play going about their normal lives while trying to achieve their objectives. The Germans go about their duties with their own sub plots. Every now and then there is some shooting or stealth kills, the Germans never know in any given segment who is Resistance or black market, lots of role-play, lots of laughs.

I don't know anything about Flying Lead but this seems a bit more how we had thought Dirty Dozen may have ran, the problem was people would not stick with the game and it was too hard to script roles for people who may or may not come. One role has to rely on an other and if one part goes wrong the house of cards falls down.

I don't dislike this idea but it is damn hard work to make it happen.

The night game I suggested was intended to be a small game maybe 12-15 people total and only run for about 3-4 hours and get a cheap deal off Taffy for it. We just go in at one end of the site.
We bring everything we need not much to organise no large props.

I think the 34th would be up for this as they want to go back there.

i ran a night game last night nigel, ive also ran 4 or 5 over the last year and they can be fun or problematic

1. numbers, 14 to 20 is the best you could expect
2. getting guys spread out. once people wander off they spend hours trying to find each other, you need to keep the gameplay within a football pitched size area, WITHOUT letting players know your doing it. that way everone can hear where the action is and react how they prefer.
3.cover , you need cover , from veiw and from fire.
4.overkill, happens every time, people cant tell whos hit and who not, medic rule dont work AT ALL as people keep rinsing wounded players as they get mediced, it has to be , hit and out , either for good, or to a regen AWAY from the action. (red lighsticks help)
5.keep objectives very simple, after dark is a nightmare trying to co-ordinate anything.

On a side note , i can get the quarry any weekend night from 1700 untill midnight for 15 quid a head. minimum of ten players , no maximum (as no bikes are there at all during these hours.
it has two "villages" (smashed up portacabins) and lots of valleys perfect for ambushes. and 150 acres to choose from.